Es wäre ja mal Toll wenn das Programm unter Windows 10 auch mal Starten würde aber nö, es tut sich NICHTS.
Unter Linux Geht es aber da wird man Angemckert man hätte keine Berechtigung für Speicherfreigabe was nicht mal Erklärt wird, ich hab so das Gefühl das Programm ist immer noch in dem Gleichen Schlechten Zustand wie vor einem Jahr. Und dafür will man auch noch Geld haben ?
Nein, also von mir gibt es da keinen Pfennig.
Aber Hauptsache es wird noch heimlich was mitinstalliert, www.startfenster.com, was soll der Mist ? Ich will Gefragt werden ob ich was Intsalliert haben will und keinen Spam Mist auf meiner Platte haben.
Thanks for the feedback but please use English on the forums - we don’t have resources to moderate German discussions. I’ve translated your post:
It would be great if the program would start under Windows 10, but no, NOTHING happens.
It works under Linux, but people complain that you don’t have permission to release memory, which isn’t even explained. I have the feeling that the program is still in the same bad state as it was a year ago. And do you want to have money for that?
No, there isn’t a penny from me.
But the main thing is that something is secretly installed, www.startfenster.com, what’s this crap? I want to be asked if I want something installed and not have any spam crap on my record.
You’re free to not purchase or donate to Zrythm if you’re not happy with it. It feels like the program is in the same state as a year ago because it is. There have been no updates to version 1 and there are no plans for updates. I have been working on version 2 which has much better cross-platform support but it’s not available for production yet. You can check the commit history to see it’s actively developed: Commits · zrythm/zrythm · GitHub
I don’t know what that site is but it has nothing to do with Zrythm. It’s probably from something else you installed.
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Zrythm and Ardour face unique challenges compared to other apps.
ASIO support is not free. This is one of the main reasons people follow the Ardour model.
Bad support on Windows is partly because of companies like ASIO making that harder to license and manage. If you want to be mad, take it out on Steinberg for bothersome audio hardware licensing requirements.
Companies like Zrythm and Ardour are NOT like Blender for this reason alone.
Blender is made up of GPL compatible components… while all the best DAWs require proprietary license to acess stuff like VST3 plugins and just the way the audio interacts with your sound card.
Unlike Blender, No big deals are pouring in for companies like these. Which steinberg doesn’t care about, it still weighs into the financial burdans of these developers.
Many audio systems means Extra coding work. Usually this is handled by a team, i think Alex deserves some slack given how much he’s already dealing with in development to then speak on the forums.
And of all the options there for a free opensource daw, I really think this one is the most important one to watch. Maybe it’s not there just yet, but I believe the workflow methodologies are a high standard.
Maybe give it some time and come back when the new version is completed.
Nobody is forcing you to pay but I’ll vouch for this being worth investing in down the road.
You CAN build it from source code and have it free that way, that’s how I use it on Linux. Someone may have uploaded a mirror of the the binaries for windows.
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Hard agree. I love Ardour, but it is very clearly meant for old-school music recording and production and isn’t designed to accommodate important workflows for modern electronic music production—which have become important in just about every genre. As a result, I use it to record podcasts and not much else.
UI/UX is an area that has been sorely neglected in so many FLOSS projects, so it’s incredible to see a DAW that doesn’t seem utterly incomprehensible to someone coming from Ableton or Bitwig. I used to produce electronic music as a hobby before I switched to FLOSS; I haven’t made a track in years because it’s just so hard to do with FLOSS DAWs. Basic features like drag and drop time-stretching, usable piano rolls, a modern UI, and a workflow that doesn’t require a PhD to figure out seem to have barely started to make their way into FLOSS DAWs, whereas the Zrythm project seems to be making modern music production a priority.
Honestly, it’s still too hard for me to make music for the joy of it, even with Zrythm. I miss simple things, like Ableton’s easy-to-use drum machine, which is a difficult thing to rig up in Zrythm. But despite this, and even though Zrythm crashed within minutes when I first tried it, I could immediately see the potential, and so I subscribed. I’m convinced that Zrythm will become the Inkscape of GNU/Linux audio software: a critical piece of the FLOSS commons that has no equal in its category.
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Yeah at least as promising as Inkscape, maybe even Blender level of promise - potentially.
Depending on how much support this gets and how it’s presented. For instance: Blender’s donation system is genius because it’s incentivised by donor getting brand exposure for their mention. Making decisions like this is key. Companies like Krita come close but fall short for not offering exposure to lower donors.
Right now people are comparing this and Ardour just over the pay gate. I think, get this project financially backed and there will be no need for even that. If big companies like intel can see that there is growing financial support behind this project they are more likely to back it. Then it’s the big companies that can foot the Steignberg bill and not us poor creatives.
Either way, I think if this has just a little more promotion and hype, it’ll pull the necessary amount of interest to kindle the project properly.
At some point I mean to try testing the latest version. I’m thinking any way to make it easier for Alex to convert over to Qt6 is going to be good. It seems that Krita is making this same move to the success of seeing some really important performance gains. So I believe his choice is solid.
Certainly any devs reading this would find it highly motivating to know that it’s very much worth at least assisting him with some low hanging code fixes on moving to Qt6.
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Companies like Krita come close but fall short for not offering exposure to lower donors.
My impression is that Krita has actually done very well in this area; I know others in KDE projects have used Krita as an example of successful fundraising. They have managed to fund quite a lot of work, and they offer both individual donation opportunities and corporate sponsorships. They even have a sponsorship from Intel.
Either way, I think if this has just a little more promotion and hype, it’ll pull the necessary amount of interest to kindle the project properly.
I quite agree. I often wish LibreArts’ coverage was more than ‘release x.x.x introduces feature y’. I think a big issue for these sorts of projects is the lack of creatives on GNU/Linux. We’re only just reached the point where it’s tenable to do graphic design work on GNU/Linux, and creative professionals have their workflows burned into their souls (probably a mountain of plugins they’d have to replace or go without too). As you’ve pointed out, audio is an even bigger beast. I think we’ll get there though thanks to heroic efforts like Alex’ work here on Zrythm; I can’t tell you how excited I was to see even just a screenshot of Zrythm for the first time.
I’m thinking any way to make it easier for Alex to convert over to Qt6 is going to be good. It seems that Krita is making this same move to the success of seeing some really important performance gains. So I believe his choice is solid.
Yea, GTK seems to be so limited in comparison, although I don’t think KDE projects have a choice really as QT5 has reached its end of life. One big advantage to QT is the use of KDE’s frameworks. Hell, turning Zrythm into a KDE project could be a great boon to development also (can you tell I’m a fan of KDE?).
Honestly, QT projects such as this one and Scribus make me want to learn C++ so that I can contribute. One day, I’m sure.
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Krita’s done well with sponsorship, but it still misses the kind of exposure that Blender nails.
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Blender puts most sponsors on display. At 25 €/month you get your name and a social tag, at 100 €/month you’ve basically got a clickable ad for your brand. That’s huge exposure—especially when those donation pages end up in every video about Blender’s funding model. I’ve seen companies spend millions for less reach than what a 100 € sponsorship gets you. Krita, on the other hand, keeps recognition locked to a handful of “elite” donors, and their one-off payments still overshadow newer supporters. If Krita adopted Blender’s approach, they’d get way more donations. Same goes for Zrythm.
You’re talking to one 
I’ve got a BA in Interactive Entertainment, majored in animation at Qantm in Sydney, and started at Blowfish Studios in 2013. I lived through the Autodesk/Adobe pipeline until freelancing pushed me into Blender. By 2019 I’d swapped out Modo and Photoshop in a pokies art workflow and was sliding Krita and Inkscape into pre-production. When AI tools blew up, I realised Krita plus ComfyUI could hit Photoshop-level AI gen and object select without the corporate baggage, so I left the slow pipelines behind, started building my own tools, and now teach VFX privately.
From this direction; I’m used to smart convenience in my sequencers from all that video editing alone. I saw this in Blender with the new video sequence editor, and now I see it here. This is the kind of modern workflow practice that generally gives me faith in Foss.
These days I’m also running karaoke shows, which threw me into the deep end of audio. Still a bit of a noob as this turns from a hobby into my next job, but learning fast. Sydney gigs are:
- Saturdays: Bellevue Hotel, Paddington (back Sept. 9)
- Fridays: North Bondi RSL (back in September)
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You make a good point!
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Same; I switched my design workflow to 100% FLOSS a few years back. It hasn’t been easy, but I’m happier for it.
When AI tools blew up, I realised Krita plus ComfyUI could hit Photoshop-level AI gen and object select without the corporate baggage
I may try this. I’m firmly against genAI with a few exceptions; easier object selection and a better alternative to the smart patch tool are among those exceptions.
I saw this in Blender with the new video sequence editor
I actually bought a new GPU so that I could take advantage of Blender’s video editing capability and never actually got around to trying it lol.
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Ahh cool, it’s always reassuring to run into someone in a similar situation.
Yes for sure Blender’s VSE performance is now well worth testing with some 4k footage! truly.
Just to maybe close out this topic - I’ll summarise both our opinions: Zrythm has a lot of potential, particularly as it completes the switch from GTK to Qt6. It’s a somewhat worthy alternative to bitwig and Ardour. It certainly deserves plenty of community support.
I sent you a message regarding AI, not sure if you know there is an object select for Krita.
May this forum and the project thrive and prosper!
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